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In this episode of the Our Birkbeck Podcast Kara McMahon
speaks to Birkbeck Alumnus and musician Alan Chan.
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KM: Here with me today is Alan Chan. Birkbeck Alumnus,
talented singer and songwriter who has so graciously decided to share his
fascinating story with us. From his discovery of his love of music, to his
rediscovery of his love of learning and along the way we will even have a chance to listen to Alan’s songs.
Welcome Welcome Alan. Thank you for joining me today. It is so lovely to see you
AC : Thank you for having me Kara. How are you today?
KM : Yeah. Very well thank you!
AC : Are you safe and well?
KM : Yes I am thankfully! And I’d love to talk to you about
your discovery of music..but before we get to that, I think a lot of the
Birkbeck Community will be so fascinated that you were on ‘The Voice’ last
year! And can you tell us more a little bit about that and what your experience
was like…
AC : Yes
KM : And you got to meet a lot of really cool people..
AC: Yep. OK. I’ll begin by saying that one of my Music
Theory tutors was at the Academy of Contemporary Music dared me to go upstairs
for the audition and..um..I decided that I didn’t want to do it because I
thought all these programmes were rubbish anyway!
KM : [LAUGHS]
AC : ..And they are all manufactured bands and I didn’t
agree with that and after half an hour of bugging me in the classroom, I
decided to promise I would go and do an
audition upstairs in the Demo Theatre if he would stop telling me to go
upstairs in front of the class! So, yeah, he stopped because I promised him
that I would go upstairs… I went upstairs and told the Audition Lady, because
she was one of the producers of the show, “Look, I know I am not suppose to be
up here because I haven’t sent you an email three weeks ago to apply for an
audition. Unfortunately, my tutor keeps telling me to come upstairs to do this.
If you don’t let me do this, then he will continue to tell me to do it and its
really really annoying. Cos its interrupting our class!”
KM : [LAUGHS}
AC : She laughed a lot and said “I’ll tell you what you do
then, if anyone doesn’t turn up for the audition, then you can take their
place, but you have to turn up at the end of the day”. So I did exactly that.
After turning up and doing my 10-minute audition, she and
the camera person, I think camera producer, they were very impressed and then
told me they would let me know.
Two weeks later, there was another audition, a month after
that there was another audition in Manchester in Media City and that’s where
they sat down 100 contestants. In the warehouse. We had no idea who we were and
whatever, we just sat there. And they made an announcement saying that we were
the last 100 contestants they had chosen to
KM : So, ah..
AC: For the whole of the United Kingdom, for Scotland and
Wales and some parts of the other world and we were very happy, and I was like
“This can’t be right?!”. And from there, they filmed everyone and then they
picked 60 people to show on the TV. Y’know. So yeah…
..Alot of travelling. I still can’t believe that I got
through to the last 100, let alone the last 24 in the quarter finals. But it
was an honour. I met some really great people especially Sir Tom Jones..
KM : Ah..
AC : ..One of my idols. Living Legend. Er, Olly Murs, my
coach, er Meghan Trainor and Will. I. Am. It was very nice. They were
all very nice to me – Until I got
knocked out…respectfully. by the Champion..
KM..Ha!
AC : Which is amazing, hands down, she is incredible.
Everyone was incredible.
KM : That is just so cool!
AC : So yeah, lots of travelling, erm, lots of rehearsing
with the best musicians in the World who are the Band. I met Band members, I
knew a couple of them before – when I saw them I went ‘Oh My God’ because I do
know who they are and who they have played with so that was the real honour,
obviously to meet the celebrities. {05:15)
KM : Er-ha..
AC : But the people playing the music, they all have a certain
status and a career in music, and those who do know of the people standing in
the back – the band – er these guys are royalty basically. So to meet them are
incredible
KM: Wow…
AC :..and I learned a lot from them. I asked them lots of
questions, which I love doing because. Er…because I am not that smart! [LAUGHS]
kM : [LAUGHS]
AC : So I ask lots of question! To gain information and with
the information pick up..I..show others
KM : Yeah..
AC : I believe.. I mean that, it really does encourage everyone
else, and that is what I do for work at my University that I graduated from
KM : That is just amazing. It sounds like you are just a
lifelong learner as well as such a hard worker
AC : I would say I’ve delayed my education just under two
decades
KM : Mmm
AC : Y’know, cos I really really frightened of studying
because of secondary school years and that really,..really.. discouraged me to
study. And, I just through that “I’m not an academic person’ so I just took it
as it is. All I’m hearing from the Tutors in those days – and we are talking
the 90’s – when there was no Wellbeing, no Student Support. It was like you
were either slow or you was fast. You are either clever, or you are not. You
are the back of the line, and that was it. That is what I grew up with in.
However, erm..getting bullied encouraged me to love music
and to sing
KM : Right…
AC : In order to stop getting bullied
KM : Mmm
AC : So..then I entered the competition, won it, and from
there the bullying stopped and some of my friends – who were also getting
bullied – that stopped, and by the time we finished school, everyone was
friends anyway, so…
KM : Right..
AC : It was a happy ending. It was a happy ending
KM : I also want to talk a little bit more about that what
music meant to you during that time. So, you mention that you had a hard time
in Secondary School, there was bullying, you didn’t feel totally supported by
your community…How did you come onto music and what kind of escape did that
provide to you.. or what did that mean in your personal development?
AC : As a young child, in the 80’s, there was no Wi-Fi,
there was no PlayStation [INAUDIBLE CHUCKLE] There was a Commodore 64
and an old Nintendo..and we are talking old Nintendo..and erm..yeah..and
there was a programme that used to be on (the television) called “Top Of The Pops” and I would watch
that religiously every Saturday and if I missed it, I would tape it with a VHS
tape recorder – which I am sure that your parents are aware of (!!) erm..you
plug it in and press record…and no remote controls either! ..you you had to
press ‘record’ on the actual machine, then press ‘stop’ to the artists that I
thought were amazing, then play this tape throughout the week to learn the song
– because that was the only way to learn songs. You didn’t have Spotify, you
didn’t have Download applications, you didn’t have this..so..you either had
this cassette or VHS recording of the show, or you had old vinyl (LP Records).
My two older brothers had a very wide genre range collection of vinyls
KM : Oh great…
AC : So I always played those vinyl’s. I damaged a few. Erm.
Got in trouble, but yeah.
KM : [LAUGHS]
AC : .I always kept music around me. My neighbours as well.
As I grew up..the council flat where I grew up..there was lots of different
cultures and different traditions and different
people who listened to different music and different genres an when I
asked them “What is this? This is great? I don’t understand…” As a child you
didn’t know, yeah, and (they’d say) “Oh, this is from back home, where we’re
from but it keeps us closer to home by listening to this music. And it shows
our children, our family who were born here that identity. Music is always
identity
And I really erm..I really appreciated what they said and
erm..I just accepted multi-genres of music – even if I didn’t understand the
language. I generally love and appreciate the authenticity of different
cultures, er the emotions of different cultures are incredible..Erm.. and that
helped me along the way with music it really did…as a vocalist..it really did
KM : Yeah
AC : It still comes to me today
KM : So how did that turn into..y’know..what you are doing
now? Did you do formal music training, did you play other instruments as well…?
AC : Well, I kinda learned the instruments by playing around
with them..
KM : Yeah
AC : ..I was never really taught..erm..but I..people have
given me information that I use that information and I.. through
repetition..got the confidence to play instruments
KM : Mmm
AC : Especially as a vocalist and then I decided to get back
into education, after working for company – I won’t name them! – but erm..I
just realised that they are never going to promote me anytime soon , so why
don’t I just do something that I love, which is music. And erm..with no
academic background in music.
I decided to get my further education at Birkbeck College,
pick up a Higher Certificate, just in case my GCSE’s was no good enough
through, because I dropped out of City & Lit College in my final year and
my BTEC Performance which would have carried me to University..
KM : Mmm
AC : But, because I’d not enough credits to go to
University, I decided to go to Birkbeck – part-time, while I had 3 jobs and
looking after my two older kids, Yeah, so that was with Learning Difficulties,
I soldiered through that, and with a lot of help from Birkbeck College and
Tutors.
And from there, I realised that education wasn’t that bad!
Anyone can learn, and with that knowledge, I decided to give it a few more year
work and get promoted – I promised an Uncle of mine that sadly passed away,
that I’d get back into music, and education of music that was 4 years ago and
then 2017, I joined the Academy of Contemporary Music. They happily accepted
me, even though my background in music – in terms of academic background was
minimal – but I had the grades and the points enough with a passion of music
from Birkbeck..you know..the credits.. enough credit..to get me into the
building..so that was great. That was great. So I owe a lot to Birkbeck College
and the tutor who taught me and gave me the patience. I mean they were very
very patient. I mean, I had never ever had that. I’ve never had that. So my
first solid block and foundation of learning was Birbeck College who were so
patient and willing to give me..
KM : Mmm
AC : I mean, they wouldn’t leave me until I got it right. I
mean you get some tutor, not all tutors are the same, they leave on time.
They’ll be like, “It’s 5 O’Clock, I’ll leave on time. I’ve gotta go”, but there
was tutors who would stay behind because they knew I was falling back..on that
note..I was very lucky to have 2 tutors at Birkbeck that would spend the time-
if they didn’t have the time , they would communicate through email to make
sure I got it right. They’d give me the extra help, and if someone offered me
help, I would take it, because I always need help [LAUGH] So I was very
thankful for that.
From there, went to Contemporary Music and had the same
treatment as I got from Birkbeck.
KM : Great..
AC : Every tutor..there are from about 90% of all the tutors
at that University even though only 20% teach my degree in the 3 years basis,
with tutorials and workshops and jumping into different lessons [LAUGHS] ,
cheekily
KM : [LAUGHS]
AC : I learned a lot of things and..
KM : Right..
AC : ..Luckily, most of the tutors..in fact…always made time
to speak to me. Cos they knew I really cared about what I was doing
KM : Yeah. It sounds really similar to ..y’know..this
journey that you have had in terms of always wanting to do more, but also seeking out support when you needed it
AC : Ywah..
KM :.. And in turn, having that desire to learn
AC : That’s right..
KM : …and I think that’s absolutely amazing, and it is very characteristic of our Birkbeck
Students who are lifelong learners and come from a different kind of
background, y’know were about to use the tools that they had in order to
transform their lives through part-time education, and moving on from
education, I’d love to hear about what you are doing now in the music industry,
what does your day-to-day look like and we’ll play one of your songs and get
into a little more specifics and our audience can hear from you
AC : OK, so, with the encouragement of Birkbeck as my
foundation, I mean I must add, if erm..had they not encouraged me to ask
questions
KM : Mmm
AC : And, told me to not be shy I may not be where I am
today, y’know. And I may not know as much as I know today. Had my tutors at
Birkbeck had not told me to ask questions. If you don’t understand, don’t hold back.
You need to understand before you do this. That was how it was. And I get the
same at ACM and if it wasn’t for that, I wouldn’t be where I am today.
KM : Great…
AC : Currently I am signed to Universal Music after ‘The
Voice’. I am trying to put out a single a week, however because of Lockdown it
has delayed by a month, or maybe two, erm..I’ve just realised “Monsters Versus
Men” two weeks ago. The video should be out, this Friday,
KM : OK, yes, please do
AC : The single was ‘Better Man’ which I’ve shown you, its
already out, that was done right before Xmas, cos I wanted to finish the year
on a high cos I graduated last year, er, delayed Graduation because of COVID ,
erm, yeah, it was just a celebration to get rid of the year
KM : Yeah
AC : And a single a week, that’s amazing..
AC : A month! Sorry, a month! A month!
KM: [LAUGHS} Either way!
AC : It was doable, because me and my music partners, we are
songwriters so..we can write a song, I know how to sing it! Cos I’m a
storyteller, singers are storytellers and lyrics are written by songwriters,
sometimes by the singer, and they write a story, they pick a storyteller –
which is the singer – then they pick the background music, and whoever is
playing the emotion, and…that is a song, y’know. That is a song, And you pick
what genre you want it, to express the story with. Could be Country, could be
Bashment, could be Classical, could be Jazz, and Indie, Rockpop, You can tell a
story in different ways which is the genre of music
KM : Yeah…
AC : Have I answered your question? [LAUGHS] Sorry!
KM : Yes! Absolutely! I’d love to play “Better Man”? Does
that sound OK to you?
AC : That sounds great! Do it!
KM : And I’ll say as well that we will link to your video,
your Spotify page, so that any listeners can listen along, but this is just a
snippet
[PLAYS “BETTER MAN’ BY ALAN CHAN]
KM : Great. That is just amazing. Yeah. Could you tell us a
little more about that song writing process? What that song means to you, if
any of our listeners want to watch the music video, they will see some masks in
your music video. I am assuming that this is a COVID related
AC : Oh yes..
KM : ..experience and song..
AC : Yes. So, this song was written when I recently had a
little argument, as couples do, before I went to the studio to write the song
with my music partner, writing partner Adam,
and he’s worked with many artists himself, he’s a prestigious writer and
from there – I’d had an argument with my missus, y’know – typical, isn’t it, y’kow
typical. He says “So what we going to write?” “Well, I’m feeling this way now,
and COVID is upsetting everyone and one of my best friends is going through a
terrible divorce at the time, and I’ve just spoke to him the night before and
he mentioned that hew as trying so hard just to look after his family, but
she’s not happy, things like that and Lockdown doesn’t help, y’know so all
these emotions plus an argument then the studio, and this was right after the
first Lockdown was over, was lifted, so it’s like a breath of fresh air
KM : Mmm
AC : I’ve over-eaten, everyone’s stressed, everyone’s slow,
I’ve just kinda Graduated, got my grade which I was fantastically happy about,
and I just through “Right, I can breathe now!” and then, lifting the Lockdown,
went to the studio and then wrote the song in about an hour, recorded it with a
guitar and we thought “This is a really good song?! OK! Lets get in the
Studio!”. Two days later, we found one of Sam Smith’s producers, who is
a friend of ours, and, er Marek his name is, went to Sam Smith’s studio in
Hammersmith, Pierce Entertainment studio, we used the exact same studio as he
recorded the first album and the second album, and I think the third as well,
but definitely the first two.
So to me, that was like a very great moment,
KM : Yeah
AC : because like a Grammy Award winning album was recorded
in the same studio, on the same equipment, y’know, so there’s loads of other
artists, but I don’t want to waste time, but Sam Smith Grammy Award winning
album was recorded in this studio with this producer..and I am not worthy
y’know kinda think..
KM : [LAUGHS]
AC : He made the most of it. And if you hear the whole song,
Marek and Adam made sure that I, I didn’t want too much technical enhancements
to my vocals. Everything you hear in that song is ME. There is, there is,
(maybe) hardly any corrections. Some singers you have to correct things – I
won’t bore you with the technical terms, but if we were out of tune, you can
put it in tune.
KM : Mmm
AC : Nowadays. You can make someone who sings terribly and
make them sound amazing
KM : Ha
AC: With a few hours of touch-ups, y’know. Mixing. Its
called. So I didn’t need any of that. I just went “I don’t want it touched, I
just want sing my heart out. I am in a really great studio. I’m feeling
emotional. I wanna let it out after three months of lockdown and studying
lockdown. At the end of the outro, you’d hear me really just singing, cos I am
fed up with being locked up! [LAUGHS]
KM : [LAUGHS] You’re singing for all of us!
AC : So fed up with the, y’know..
KM : Yeah
AC : Exactly! It was a fight just to be OK! Not to win, just
to be OK, y’know..So, I feel I’ve expressed that in my emotional singing of the
song. Plus the separation that my friend was having. Plus, the argument I’d had
with my missus and other people going through bad relationship issues as well.
And all around me, cos Lockdown, people hadn’t been together for so long
KM: Uh-uh
AC : They go to work, , they got the space and the time, and
they get back and “Oh, OK, how are you, dear?” 4 or 5 hours in front of the TV
and then it’s bedtime, isn’t it. They’ve never stuck in the same house, a lot
of people have never, everyday, all day, and they just wanna [LAUGH] kill each
other [LAUGHS]
KM: [LAUGHS]
AC: That was the case. Especially with kids, my God. So. Um.
This song is for everyone that went through that, its for you, it’s for
Birkbeck, its for everyone. Everyone. This song.
KM: It’s amazing that you could channel all of that energy
and say..
AC : Yeah, yeah yeah. Emotion is what I see and hear. And
how I feel. And this is how most music is created. I mean, I am inspired by the
40’s, 50’s, 60’s, 70’s. And 80’s. And the 90’s as well, of course. Cos that was
my youth, growing up. Listening to music, but, music was created when people
were struggling. Y’know. And I always like, kept that in my mind, y’know. When
people are unfortunately struggling, which we don’t want, we come out with a
certain emotion that expresses how others feel. And being a vocalist, it allows
me to to do that
KM : Yeah…
AC : I mean, if I get rich, which I will!, fantastic!
KM : [LAUGHS]
AC : Great. Great. Y’know. But right now. I’m working for my
University, who gave me a job, I’m their ambassador of the brand, I make sure
that everyone, I’m a COVID Marshall, to everyone safe before they come in and
out the building. I’m First Aid trained so I know how to deal with someone when
they are unwell. Er, and my experience through life. And as a student through
my degree, through lockdown and I am pretty much twice the age of any of the
students who were there, y’know, who look up to me! I am thankful for, because
I look up to them. So they have put me in a position where I can help students
going through such a difficult time. So I am doing what I love, I am supporting
people I love and respect
KM: uh uh
AC : And I am in the Facility that I love, which is my Uni,
that I studied in. The tutors are now my friends, as well as my ex tutor, and
current mentor. And the people who manage the site, are now either my managers
of my team leaders, which is fantastic. So I am in a very good place right now.
Unfortunately, we are locked down, but I am working online, like yourself, but
erm, right at this very moment, , I am very grateful, my elder son is at
University in his first year. My daughter is in college doing Art, erm, a 2 and
a half year old who you just met earlier, unfortunately has not started nursery
yet, which is a pain but safety first. And everyone in my immediate family is
healthy. I have lost quite a few people actually from last year and this year
and that’s including friends, elderly, COVID-19 . So yes, it’s been a bit
crazy..
KM : Yep
AC : But I am very grateful
KM : Uh-uh
AC : And we are very grateful to you for spending this time
to speak with us and I’d just like to comment, and I am sure our listeners
would take up on this, with this full-circle aspect from your whole story of
having trouble in school, finding music..
AC : Yeah..
KM : ..and pushing through so many challenges and how
supporting students to fulfil their dreams and..
AC : Absolutely
KM :..and on that note I would actually like to ask you,
erm, you might be aware that we have long term students at Birkbeck, who are
Creative Practitioners like yourself
AC : Uh-uh
KM: Do you have any top tips for them if they are studying
with us right now, especially in this really difficult time, if you have any
advice for them..?
AC : Uh, Creative yeah?
KM: Yes
AC : OK, One thing that helped me was, OK, everyone has
their favourite artists or favourite creators, learn a bit about…look into what
they like, and what inspires them. For example, Stevie Wonder, one of my
favourite guys, What inspires him? Duke Ellington. Then read about Duke
Ellington, and what inspired Duke Ellington. Yeah. Elvis. One of my favourite
artists, who I will never get to see, but I listen to him, who inspired him?
Muddy Walters, Little Richard, all the Gospel Churches around his poor area that
he grew up in. Yeah. He was sticking his head in and just listening. Y’know,
then he picked up on the emotions of the Gospel Singers, and then he’ll go down
the road and listen to Country Singers and that is how he became Elvis.
KM :Uh-Uh
AC : And he loved it. And that is inspiring.
KM : Yeah
AC : Going back to what Elvis was listening to, I met Tom
Jones, right, and asked him what his inspirations are and he told me it was the
miners in Wales. His parents, uncles, singing [SINGS A FEW NOTES IN A WELSH
STYLE] and he picked it up. Cos the miners could really sing with the baritone
voice, and he picked that up, from there…he just developed and learned from
everyone he met.
KM : it’s that simple..
AC : Y’know, if you have a favourite writer, what inspired
them to write that, y’know. Just go back in time. Find that, find where the
root is. Find the roots of your genre, your subject, that you love and respect
so much. That’s my tip.
KM : Yeah. That is such good advice. Thanks, so much Alan.
It’s been an absolute delight speaking with you today and, I am so excited for
our listeners to hear this. Stay up on your career and please keep us updated
AC : Yes! Of course
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Narrator : And that’s the end for today’s episode. We hope
you enjoyed listening to Kara and Alan. Remember if you are interested in
finding out more about Our Birkbeck please visit campaign.bbk.ac.uk to read
more about the impact our community is having around the World. Thank you so
much for listening, and until next time